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Loved too much... by Mizu-no-Akira Loved too much... by Mizu-no-Akira
Here's some Ashfur fanart :3 I just loved this quote. Sadly, I never read the books... maybe I should do so...
Anyways, I hope you like my interpretation of the scene when Jayfeather visits StarClan and finds Ashfur there, after Hollyleaf killed him. He was kinda psycho before he got killed, so I guess Jayfeather was quite confused about finding him there. But I think Yellowfang, who said this sentence :P, was right... he never did anything that'd make him a realy evil cat that doesn't deserve its place in StarClan.
I kinda felt like drawing him still behing hurt. I don't believe they go to StarClan with all their wounds that caused their death and so on... that's something physical and what goes to StarClan is just their "souls" or "minds". They imagine themselves as a young and healthy being, and so their minds are young, healthy, and unwounded, too. But in Ashfur's case I believe he's so hurt about not being loved, that his mind got scarred and stayed wounded.
...Goddamn I'm really bad at explaining in English -_-' Sorry guys.
Anyways, hope you like it^^ Next upload will be the 10th site of my comic :D

Characters and story (c) by Erin Hunter
Illustration (c) by :iconmizu-no-akira: ...ME! :3
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:iconrainmask64:
Rainmask64 Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I have a headcanon where he would turn out to actually forgive Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw. After being metaphorically blinded before, he must've discovered his faults. Ashfur might try to mend all of the trouble he caused later.
(I think he'll keep on crushing on Squirrelflight, though >w<)
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KodiakAussieArt Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2014  New member Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thrushpelt was rejected by Bluefur and never tried to murder her kits. He actually helped care for her kits! Ashfur needs to get therapy from Thrushpelt :P
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KodiakAussieArt Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2014  New member Hobbyist Digital Artist
Don't hate me for this, but I really don't think that he deserved to be in Starclan :( I mean, he tried to kill Firestar, he tried to kill Squirrelflights "kits", and he goes to STARCLAN? Thistleclaw never tried to murder anyone, and he's in the Dark Forest.
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YaKitten Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree. Or at least, he should have gone to the Dark Forest for a while until he realized what he did was wrong. I honestly think he must have been insane. It's the only way he could possibly have gotten into Starclan. Like, when he died, he got his sanity back and regretted what he did so they allowed him in. Maybe he should have had a little chat with Thrushpelt when he got there...
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XxAsk-KlausxX Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2014
I just imagine this thought going through his head when she "dumped" him


"You dumped me,but you say you never loved me,but you still dumped me,so Im just gonna kill your whole family,that seems like a fair trade"
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TrinChan345 Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2014
When I see this picture, I Imagine StarClan moving Ina. Slower pace, more spiritually. I love art that makes you THINK!
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Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ashfur is best I mean he did nothing wrong


Too much love.
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:iconlemur97:
lemur97 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
He tried to have Squirrelfight's father killed and later tried to burn her kits over a misunderstanding of feelings. He belongs in the dark forest.
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moth-wing Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014
Yo' man, don't even bother. Love =  psychopathy. ┐(;)┌
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:iconlemur97:
lemur97 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
;~; Erin Hunter, whyyyyyyyy???
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:iconmoonleaf1:
Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't remember him trying to kill Firestar but I remember the fire

Too Much Love~
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:iconlemur97:
lemur97 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
I'll get the quote from the Warriors Wiki.

"Stay there! I can't believe you didn't know how much you hurt me. You are the blind one, not Jayfeather. Who do you think sent Firestar the message to go down to the lake, where the fox trap was? I wanted him to die, to take your father away so you'd know the real meaning of pain."—Ashfur to Squirrelflight (Long Shadows)
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Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
cool
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:iconlemur97:
lemur97 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
That being said, Ashfur didn't "love too much". In comparison to other cats in the Dark Forest, Ashfur should have gone there instead of Thistleclaw, because as far as we know, Thistleclaw didn't try to murder cats.
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Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thistleclaw trained the most evil cat in the series and encouraged him to hurt others
He also fought other df cats when he joined the Dark Forest anyway


Ashfur did love too much, then he hurt because of it. I like his character for that. Plus I hate Squirrelflight anyway she's annoying so it'd be awesome to see her die from Ashfur xD
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DrownblazeRCW Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Thistleclaw was manipulated by the Dark Forest. He would have made a brilliant warrior if Snowtuft hadn't trained him to be an evil killer. And yet, he didn't even kill anyone.

Ashfur didn't have anyone to manipulate him.

If you wanted someone to be your boyfriend/girlfriend, would you:

a) try to kill their father
b) try to burn their children
c) threaten them
d) blame them on your faults
e) betray your entire family for them

That's not love. That's just desperation. Ashfur deserves to suffer.
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lemur97 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Atleast Thistleclaw wasn't a butthurt crybaby who tried to murder his mate's father and 3 kits over "rejection". You don't do that if you love some one. Training the villain of the bookseries doesn't make him a bad cat. Encouraging agressive behavior, maybe, but that would be like saying "his only fault was that he cared more for his clan mates than the life of another cat". Or even "cared more for himself".

Ashfur did not love Squirrelflight and even if he did, that's not how you'd show love. If you like his character, like him for who he is, not what the fandom is romanticizing about him.
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moth-wing Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2014
...You're being sarcastic, right?
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:iconmoonleaf1:
Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nope.

Too. Much. Love.
I love him ._.
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moth-wing Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2014
Trying to murder a girl's dad and children just because she isn't in to you is what you would call love? Normal folks call that psychopathy and obsession, because, well it is.
Never said you couldn't "love" a character.
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Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
O.o dude what's your problem ?
If you really hate Ashfur go tell your mom instead that this character is bugging you :/
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moth-wing Featured By Owner Edited Sep 11, 2014
DUDE WHAT'S YER PROBLEM. :| You made a comment. I replied. That's it. It's not my fault that you, apparently, can't answer a simple question.
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AduroDawg Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm sorry, but I have to point this out-
"he never did anything that'd make him a realy [sic] evil cat"
...He refused to be her friend any more, betrayed his entire clan, helped Hawkfrost try to take over his clan, led Squirrelflight's father to his death by strangulation, tried to burn her children alive in a fire, and was going to release info that had absolutely nothing to do with him. That sounds pretty bad to me.
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:iconannmy:
AnnMY Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Out of the blue here, but just let me second this statement.
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:iconadurodawg:
AduroDawg Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Out of the blue is perfectly fine, babe ^^
But thanks for seconding, I appreciate that you too recognize illogical quotes when you see them.
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AnnMY Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Why you are very welcome. I'm always happy to find people willing to even out the scales of the ever-popular "Ashfur ain't done nothing bad" thingy, which kinda creeps me out. Especially when so many are willing to jump to his defense so readily and just toss aside the facts and make him into a glorified heartbroken sop who should be coddled by all. ;)
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AduroDawg Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah, yes.. I think it's perfectly fine to enjoy villains- I in particular have a soft spot for Hawkfrost, but with that people shouldn't try and build said villains up into heroes, or turn their terrible acts into nothing.
As such, I can certainly see where Hawkfrost comes from- his brother died when they were young and Hawkfrost tried to save him, he was idolizing his dad ever since he met him, etc. But he still did terrible things and is very much a villain.
It's especially annoying with Ashfur because he had such stupid motivation. "My sort-of girlfriend dumped me, so I'm gonna go kill her dad and her three kids!" People get dumped after years of relationship behind it, and they don't go do that. It just annoys me so much, like oh my gosh Ashbutt be quiet >.<
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WindWing101 Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2014
(posted this to both of you, since I wasn't sure if you'd get it too. xD Thought you ought to be included)

You people are like, my favorites now. xD

I don't mind his character, it was definitely 'interesting' to read and to draw. But did he do the right thing? Oh, absolutely not. I find it kind of disturbing when people seem to believe what he did was because of 'love'. It's OBSESSION. I mean, there are plenty of stories where boyfriends murder their ex girlfriends because they still can't get over it. People often don't say "That poor baby, he loved too much." So, what about Ashfur? If you believe that's what love is, I find that a bit scary. No disrespect to those who like him, just... please don't take that into the real world. I suppose if the Erins just made a 'story' that they wanted to tell, this would be okay... but given that Warriors is supposed to be a kid's book, shouldn't it teach certain morals? Unless the people targeted now are older. Do you REALLY want kids thinking that's what love is? I'm not one to say that these things cause violence, it's just kind of disturbing when people start thinking of this as what it is, and interpret it wrong. xD

-rant over-
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AduroDawg Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, Ashfur is certainly interesting for a period of time, especially from a psychological point of view (the study of the breaking point for people like that really is intriguing), but considering he's supposed to be a model now considering he's never told he's wrong and everyone romanticizes his actions, it is slightly disturbing. Like I said before, it's perfectly fine to enjoy and love a villain as much or more than a main hero (good guy), as long as you aren't modeling yourself after them, and understand that their actions aren't good. Especially when little kids are involved. It's why I get picky about what movies my little sister sees. She's too young to understand good people may act badly, or bad people make good choices sometimes, so I don't want her to mix concepts around and start lying to us and in general modeling herself after bad people that people said were doing okay things. It might seem obsessive, but it's a pretty big deal in reality.
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WindWing101 Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014
Agreed completely... :P
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:iconannmy:
AnnMY Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, of course it's fine to like the local asshole, why I've never been able to completely dislike Tigerstar even if I tried, because we've been exposed to his whole development from the spoiled brat who lost his dad, till he was handed off to the worst possible mentor (Sunstar, honestly... worst idea ever) and from then the whole thing went downhill. But still there's something about him, how the cruel ambition grew in his mind, and the underhanded plans he worked on, that makes him intriguing. 
That said, I will not throw myself in the line of fire to defend him; he is and will always be a cruel bastard. 
Nay, exactly how I thought too. I didn't even see the whole thing between him and Squirrel, heck they never talked about any sort of relationship at all. To me, it seemed more as if Squirrel was grateful that she had a friend through turbulent times, and Ashfur kinda got it into his head that she was in love with him too. And just because she couldn't stand his overprotective, slightly condescending ways, he decides her whole family should die. So, one murder of second degree (for Firestar), and attempted murder on three innocent cats validates his heartbreak? Really?? -_-'
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WindWing101 Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2014
You people are like, my favorites now. xD

I don't mind his character, it was definitely 'interesting' to read and to draw. But did he do the right thing? Oh, absolutely not. I find it kind of disturbing when people seem to believe what he did was because of 'love'. It's OBSESSION. I mean, there are plenty of stories where boyfriends murder their ex girlfriends because they still can't get over it. People often don't say "That poor baby, he loved too much." So, what about Ashfur? If you believe that's what love is, I find that a bit scary. No disrespect to those who like him, just... please don't take that into the real world. I suppose if the Erins just made a 'story' that they wanted to tell, this would be okay... but given that Warriors is supposed to be a kid's book, shouldn't it teach certain morals? Unless the people targeted now are older. Do you REALLY want kids thinking that's what love is? I'm not one to say that these things cause violence, it's just kind of disturbing when people start thinking of this as what it is, and interpret it wrong. xD

-rant over-
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:iconannmy:
AnnMY Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And you are really cute. x3

I'm with you there, really that discussion should've been put to the Erins. Exactly what were they trying to show, by giving mercy to Ashfur, even emphasizing that he wasn't really a bad guy - which he really, really was. He's way up there with Tigerstar and the really evil guys becaues he showed no scruples in his crimes, no guilt over what he was doing - there was plain black hatred in him. And considering this series does target preteens and kids mostly... yep, you're right, that is plenty disturbing. They shouldn't be shown this as an acceptable way to love, and be loved, because it doesn't even belong under the cathegory for love at all. Sure, Ashfur started out as a smitten sillyface, but he didn't make for a good match at all, considering he didn't really respect Squirrelflight's fiery spirit and her desire to be equal, and ended up broken beyond repair once she told him how they stood. And then he just became cruel. 
I can understand wanting to write a story about someone who's emotions are turned upside down, something that becomes so broken and twisted it can't be recognized again, but all in all, this gives the wrong message. We're told that Ashfur isn't to blame. And that is wrong. 

You just triggered another bout of ranting from me, damn... so sorry, really ^^'
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StormofSloths Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Ugh, I hate this excuse so much. What he did was not love; it was possessiveness. If you really loved someone, you would want them to be happy, not want them to suffer and ignore when they tried to remain close to you.
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WindWing101 Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2014
:clap: Thank you! Finally! xD
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Valkeri-Spirit Featured By Owner Edited Jul 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
The spot on his ear looks like a pokeball :pokeball:
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XxAsk-KlausxX Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2014
Holy crap your right
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NekoFeatherstar Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
His ONLY fault?! Let's see... He easily became jealous, couldn't be happy for those he love unless they love him back, hated a ton, (etc.)
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Hollypotion Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2014  Student General Artist
No offense, but the quote is right. True, he did all that, and it wasnt happy for anybody, but all his mistakes and faults came from loving too much..... :/
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NekoFeatherstar Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I take no offense. And I see what you mean. Personally, I liked him before he snapped but I just wish he could have just been happy for Squirrelflight and not bound on revenge.
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Hollypotion Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014  Student General Artist
Yeah, I mean, he was such a great warrior before he went all crazy. Such pretty art though! I wish I could draw like this!
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fadedworlds Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2014  Student Writer
This is exactly how I pictured a StarClan warrior. Breathtaking.
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Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ashfur was 100% awesome expect for the part about loving somebody related to him ._.
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RawrKatz Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2014  Student General Artist
Oh well did you know that SquirrelFlight and BrambleClaw are related too? Also DustPelt and FernCloud.
There is nothing wrong with cats being related to each other and loving each other.
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Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
How do you know that :o?

Can you link me a family tree I wanna see
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RawrKatz Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2014  Student General Artist
Okay, here:

LeopardFoot and PineStar had three kits, two died. One remained, TigerStar remained. TigerStar had two daughters and two sons. One of them was BrambleClaw. Now, LeopardFoot's brother, RedTail, was the father of SandStorm. SandStorm gave birth to SquirrelFlight and LeafPool. And then BrambleClaw and SquirrelFlight are cousins. Yeah.

FernCloud is DustPelt's niece.
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Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh I didn't know that woaah thanks for the info! :o
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RawrKatz Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2014  Student General Artist
No problem!
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DrawingGangstar Featured By Owner May 5, 2014
I hate hw he gets to stay in starclan and Thistleclaw didn't ;A;
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Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What's wrong with Ashfur being in StarClan? :o

Thistleclaw was pure evil and made Tigerclaw o.o
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