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Loved too much... by Mizu-no-Akira Loved too much... by Mizu-no-Akira
Here's some Ashfur fanart :3 I just loved this quote. Sadly, I never read the books... maybe I should do so...
Anyways, I hope you like my interpretation of the scene when Jayfeather visits StarClan and finds Ashfur there, after Hollyleaf killed him. He was kinda psycho before he got killed, so I guess Jayfeather was quite confused about finding him there. But I think Yellowfang, who said this sentence :P, was right... he never did anything that'd make him a realy evil cat that doesn't deserve its place in StarClan.
I kinda felt like drawing him still behing hurt. I don't believe they go to StarClan with all their wounds that caused their death and so on... that's something physical and what goes to StarClan is just their "souls" or "minds". They imagine themselves as a young and healthy being, and so their minds are young, healthy, and unwounded, too. But in Ashfur's case I believe he's so hurt about not being loved, that his mind got scarred and stayed wounded.
...Goddamn I'm really bad at explaining in English -_-' Sorry guys.
Anyways, hope you like it^^ Next upload will be the 10th site of my comic :D

Characters and story (c) by Erin Hunter
Illustration (c) by :iconmizu-no-akira: ...ME! :3
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AtomicBubbles101 Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
cats in the clans go to starclan in their prime, but if you read further, it's stated that tribe cats go to the tribe of endless hunting at the age of death, and the bear all their scars and illnesses there. :3
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Werechicken22 Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2015
LOVE YA ASHFUR!!!
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VarjakDev Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2015  New Deviant
I don't know anything about Mapleshade but Ashfur deserves to be in Starclan. Think about it, his mother, Brindleface, got killed by Tigerstar. And I'm not sure who was the father of Ashfur but all the info lead to Redtail to being Ashfur's father. He was also killed by Tigerstar. When he started to love Squirrelflight thinking they'll be mates and have kits together--it was all shattered because of Brambleclaw. Tigerstar's son. He snapped somewhere inside of him and turned out that way. He just wanted to know how much she hurt him but I think there was more to that like he was pouring all his pain that he held inside of him towards Squirrelflight which lead to his death. He wasn't like Tigerstar or Hawkfrost that was greedy for power. ALSOOO, I agree that Thistleclaw shouldn't be in the Darkforest. He would have been sane if Snowfur was still alive, when she died he went out of control just like what happened to Ashfur.
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PhonicOcelot Featured By Owner May 31, 2015  Student General Artist
Great art and stuff but I disagree on Ashfur going to Starclan Thistleclaw never murdered anyone and got sent to the Dark Forest
Hawkfrost only tried to kill 1 but it was Tigerstar who pushed him
Ashfur tries to murder 5 cats and gets sent to Starclan
If you ask me
That's pretty screwed up
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AtomicBubbles101 Featured By Owner Edited Jul 20, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
thistleclaw did go to star clan and spent some time there, until bluestar died and chased him out.
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PhonicOcelot Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2015  Student General Artist
Sorry but your false on that. There is no actually evidence to prove that it was just a rumor that started up.
Vicky said it herself that "Bluestar never chased Thistlclaw out of Starclan it was just a rumor that was started. He did in fact go to the Dark Forest"
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Werechicken22 Featured By Owner May 30, 2015
Thats true. Why is everybody say Ashfur is evil? Starclan is never wrong. 
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AtomicBubbles101 Featured By Owner Edited Jul 20, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"I GOT FRIENDZONED SO I'M GOING TO TRY AND MURDER HER FATHER AND BURN HER CHILDREN ALIVE SO SHE CAN FEEL THE PAIN I FELT"
again, how is he evil

????????
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Werechicken22 Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2015
Ya but they are worse cats than him who got to Starclan. Including Rainbitch.
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PhonicOcelot Featured By Owner May 31, 2015  Student General Artist
Well I personally think he should've went to the Drak Forest cuz he tried to murder 5 cats
He watched as Firestar was gonna be killed by a fox trap
And not only that but he tots overreacted
He's like WAY WAY older than Squirrelflight seeing he was an apprentice during Bloodclan making him old enough to be her dad
Also
Hawkfrost only tried to murder 1 cat and gets sent to the dark forest
And Ashfur tried to murder 5 but still got sent to Starclan
Wtf is that
Squirrelflight did say she wanted to be friends with ashfur it says it in the book she tried
But he shut her out
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Werechicken22 Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2015
Yeah. That's all true. Hawkfrost did murder one cat, but he also exiled some cats for nothing and become evil like his father to help him take over the forest. For a sensible cat like Ashfur, love is very difficult and complicated.....
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PhonicOcelot Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2015  Student General Artist
I wouldn't call Ashfur sensible. He is exactly opposite of that. Tho Hawkfrost did do all those things still isn't an excuse for ashfur to go to Starclan
There are plenty other cats who had nothing to do with murder or just made wrong choices and still ended up in the dark forest
While in other reasons Ashfur was forgiven many times for his so called "loving too much"
And if he was sensible enough
He would've had enough sense to know him and Squirrelflight would never work out
Reasons because 1) he's WAY older than her
2) if he actually LISTENED to what squirrelflight was actually venting to him about he would've summed up with she like brambleclaw
3) let's face it. It would've never worked out anyways because Ashfur is boring af
Not only that but after he figured out Squirrelflight didn't love him ((like I said before)) he went KOOKOO
He literally tried to turn everyone against Squirrelflight and her family
Shut almost the whole clan out
Over reacted on a lot of things
Tried to physically harm Lionblaze to his breaking point
And I could go on 4ever
I don't see how Assfur suddenly realized his mistake once GOT TO STARCLAN
What a sensible cat
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Werechicken22 Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2015
Actually he became insane and a bit crazy, but Squirrelfight is not better anyways... She broke Bramblestar's heart! After she broke Ashfur's! Of course he tried to kill some, but that doesn't make him evil. You can do evil things but not be evil at all. I thank Yellowfang for letting him in, cuz after all, Ashfur is loyal to the end. We also have different opinions about him, like a lot of fans do. Cuz he made really bad things... And really good things! It's not because I don't see what he did was bad, it's just that I love him and I feel a connection to this character more than others. I know what he did bad, I could write a story! But I could write more about how I love him! And after all, Squirrelfight and Hollyleaf forgived him when he was gone. Nobody was mad after he died, not even his difficult mate and muderer.
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EndertheFoxy Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2015  Student Artisan Crafter
Poor Ashfur. He loved Squirrelflight so much, but she just like:

I don't love you, Ashfur. I love Brambleclaw sry Troll 
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WarriorSapphirestar Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
the erins came up with a lame excuse about why he went to starclan.. for crying out loud he lied to Firestar and sent him basically into the fox trap, tried to kill lionpaw, and then let lionpaw take out his anger on hollypaw, then tries to kill two warriors and a medicine cat in a fire.. then planned on telling the whole truth at a gathering.. though on the night of the gathering he was killed by Hillyleaf (who did not mean to kill him, the erins have mentioned that she did not kill him on purpose a few times) .... Also supposedly he was friends with Brambleclaw but he started to turn against Brambleclaw by saying Bramble might turn into Tigerstar basically... yes Ashfur was blind, but his ways of making Squrrelflight feel the "pain" she gave him by choosing Brambleclaw when Ashfur was no more than just a friend...  
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MachCDXX Featured By Owner May 31, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I think this argument could go on for a very very very long time!
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WarriorSapphirestar Featured By Owner May 31, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
yep, lets just go with he realized all the wrong he did after he died and forgave hollyleaf
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UniverseDragon Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't think it was lame. He doesn't deserve the Dark Forest. Everyone thinks dark things and many people have attempted to hurt others. He didn't kill anyone, anyways. Honestly, if Ashfur deserves the Dark Forest then Hollyleaf does too for murder, and then so would many other cats. Starclan deemed his heart worthy of their grounds. At the very least, he's no where near bad enough for the Dark Forest.
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SchizophrenicSurs Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2015  Hobbyist Filmographer
Mapleshade and Thistleclaw didn't deserve the dark forest, Thistleclaw was only ambitious and aggressive and Mapleshade only broke a rule that various starclan cats broke, loving a cat from another clan, they didn't do anything evil or bad nor tried to kill anyone. They're in the dark forest as probably the evilest cats alive and thanks to starclan for that.
Ashfur didn't want to be friends with Squirrelflight even though she just wanted to be friends, Ashfur nearly killed as many cats as Tigerstar, and he didn't love too much, he hated Squirrelflight in the end. Cats in the dark forest are murderers and criminals, he belongs there, especially if cats like Mapleshade and Thistleclaw are there.
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tripaw Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015
"Mapleshade didn't do anything evil or bad or try to kill anyone."

...Is this a joke? For real?
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SchizophrenicSurs Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015  Hobbyist Filmographer
I mean when she was alive :/
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UniverseDragon Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I blame StarClan. If I was a Clan cat, I would believe in them, because I'd know they exist, but I wouldn't follow them or trust them. Also, he never actually killed anyone. Despite that he tried, he still didn't. Besides, Hawkfrost manipulated him into trapping Firestar or whatever, in which case I wouldn't completely count it. You'd be surprised at what a hurt person can do when they're at their weakest and someone's pulling their strings.

Have you ever had that happen to yourself? Someone I loved and cared about one day messaged me and didn't want to be friends anymore (not giving huge details cuz this is personal to me). I felt so betrayed that I had a grudge against them for months, wanting to hurt them (both physically and mentally). But just last week we talked to each other and put things behind us. I didn't ever actually hate them, when I thought I did. It was just from feeling like that person had betrayed my feelings and thrown them into the garbage. If I hadn't of taken the same bus as that person on that day, I would still be "hating" them right now.
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SchizophrenicSurs Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2015  Hobbyist Filmographer
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F8iML…
Blue knows what she's talking about more than me.

Yes, I had that, someone who I love rather than telling me she didn't feel the same had completely ignored and avoided me. I would never turn against them though, I felt hurt, but I didn't wish them harm nor try to cause them hell. I simply just felt hurt and let them go. There is no excuse for even attempting to hurt someone, no matter how hurt you are.
And Thrushpelt went through the same thing as Ashfur, rather than moping and doping about it and trying to kill everyone, he felt kinda hurt but got over it and still tried to support Bluefur, even cared about her kits though he knew they weren't his and felt sad when they had to go.
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UniverseDragon Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
(I'll have to watch that video later, I'm at school right now and don't have ear buds for it)

That's different. Unless you've left out pieces of information, it doesn't sound like you were together at all. I was with this person, for years, and then they turned their back on me with little explanation as to why (over text, too, with their sister doing the texting for them). I did something similar to someone else in the year before, but with thorough explanation for my reasons, and later discovered that they had tried to kill their self, because of all the stuff in their life piling up on them.

Also, Thrushpelt didn't have the same pain in his life that Ashfur did. He lived through the horrors of Tigerstar, Brokenstar, and BloodClan. His mother was murdered by Tigerstar. He felt so much pain, and was finally seeing something with him and Squirrelflight, only to have her lead him on and eventually drop him like a rock and act as though she had done nothing wrong to him in the later books. Bluestar never lead Thrushpelt on. And Ashfur didn't try to kill EVERYONE (caps for emphasis). He just wanted Squirrelflight to feel his pain, cuz I don't think she fully grasped the consequences of her actions.


Also, "there is no excuse"? Completely unrelated, but if someone killed or seriously injured my family on purpose, I think that's a hell of a good excuse.
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SchizophrenicSurs Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2015  Hobbyist Filmographer
He had a sad past, yeah, but he was fine until Squirrelflight. Seriously they were actually never dating, think about that, he just assumed they were, and she just wanted to be friends, he didn't want to be friends and wasn't happy being anything less than mates, and then tried to make her pity him.
Then he tried to kill four cats who had nothing to do with it, her father and her adopted children, to sum up to her how it felt when she told him she just wanted to be friends.

And seriously, don't pull that shit on me, Ashfur's excuse was bullshit and you knew that.
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UniverseDragon Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay, what the actual fuck, I'm just making a discussion and you're freaking out on me. IT'S FICTIONAL CAT CHARACTERS. If this was a discussion about real life you'd have the right to be an asshole to me, but you really don't. I'm done with this, get the fuck over it.
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WarriorSapphirestar Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
she killed him by accident! And he tried to kill his own leader and get one warrior exiled because he was in love with Squirrelflight when he was nothing more than a friend! He attempted murder on two warriors within his clan as well as a medicine cat! And only decided to let them live so he could hurt Squirrelflight by revealing her secret! He attempted murder and was the reason Firestar lost one lie in the fox trap! He allied with Hawkfrost so he could hurt Squirrelflight as well as try to get Brambleclaw/star out of the picture.. For StarClan's sake he did more damage than Thistleclaw to his clan! And if any cat loved too much it was Mapleshade and we don't even know her past yet!
I have a question... Do you think a loyal warrior would send his leader into a trap so he could get rid of anyone that would get his way to have a she-cat who he thinks loves him back the same way as well as hurt her if she refuses to be his mate?
Would a loyal warrior try to kill his own clanmate? A medicine cat? 
Have his apprentice claim that another leader is by the border, and tells the leader that the other leader wanted him to come alone, just to set him up so his deputy can be banished for killing the clan leader, because the deputy loves the same cat as him?
Do you think a loyal warrior would do that? If I have to I can find quotes and page numbers of Ashfur attempting to kill his apprentice, even letting his apprentice try to kill his sister.. The thing were he admits trying to help kill Firestar during the fire..
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UniverseDragon Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm not dumb, I know all he's done. I'm not saying he's loyal I'm saying he's still not as bad as others.
And for the record I don't think Mapleshade deserves the Dark Forest either but she chose it.
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WarriorSapphirestar Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
He isn't as bad as Brokenstar or Tigerstar, but in my heart i feel he should of went to the dark forest.. even though supposedly he did forgive Hollyleaf... it's just how he changed and took the dark path that makes me feel this... if he never went so far to at least take advantage of the fire maybe i would feel slightly different.. even though if i had been paying attention better when i finished sunset for the first time i would of saw what he had done before hand..
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UniverseDragon Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I blame Hawkfrost for what happened in Sunset. He used Ashfur's jumbled emotions to his advantage, like Thistleclaw took Tigerstar's courage as an apprentice to his advantage. I think Ashfur isn't dark enough for the Dark Forest, and since there's apparently no inbetween for Starclan and The Place of No Stars, he remains in Starclan, most likely alone and keeping to himself.
If Tigerstar had stopped being crazy when he became leader of Shadowclan he probably would of ended up like Ashfur. In Starclan but still an oustider.

Just my opinions.
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LeapsOfJoy Featured By Owner Edited Mar 7, 2015
I hope you don't mind me contributing a bit to this conversation, but just because Ashfur didn't technically 'carry through' with murdering the Three doesn't mean he wouldn't have. If Squirrelflight hadn't stated that they weren't her kits, they'd be fried. Also, Ashfur is dumber than I thought if he didn't know about Hawkfrost's... Heh... Past actions. Considering he was dead-set on killing Firestar (who I'm not a fan of, but y'know), he deserves to rot in the Dark Forest, in my opinion X'D Hollyleaf did what she thought was right, which was keeping Ash's obnoxious mouth SHUT. Ashfur let himself become a lunatic, and he paid the price.
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UniverseDragon Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Brambleclaw didn't know about his brother, and many others didn't either (Squirrelflight just had a hunch). And still, murder is never someone's ONLY choice. Hollyleaf should be in the Dark Forest too, for killing him. Yes, he wasn't being very 'nice' either, but she lowered herself to his level. Therefor she should be there too.

I don't think Ashfur belongs there. If it wasn't for the Erins not being consistent with each other (which actually seriously bothers me. I love the books but I want to sit them all down and tell them to be consistent or just stop), Thistleclaw was originally in Starclan, but Bluestar chased him out when she died. To me, this happened, no matter what the books and the wiki say. So I think there's more to the justice system here.
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Rainmask64 Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I have a headcanon where he would turn out to actually forgive Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw. After being metaphorically blinded before, he must've discovered his faults. Ashfur might try to mend all of the trouble he caused later.
(I think he'll keep on crushing on Squirrelflight, though >w<)
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KodiakAussieArt Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thrushpelt was rejected by Bluefur and never tried to murder her kits. He actually helped care for her kits! Ashfur needs to get therapy from Thrushpelt :P
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KodiakAussieArt Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Don't hate me for this, but I really don't think that he deserved to be in Starclan :( I mean, he tried to kill Firestar, he tried to kill Squirrelflights "kits", and he goes to STARCLAN? Thistleclaw never tried to murder anyone, and he's in the Dark Forest.
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YaKitten Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree. Or at least, he should have gone to the Dark Forest for a while until he realized what he did was wrong. I honestly think he must have been insane. It's the only way he could possibly have gotten into Starclan. Like, when he died, he got his sanity back and regretted what he did so they allowed him in. Maybe he should have had a little chat with Thrushpelt when he got there...
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XxAsk-KlausxX Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I just imagine this thought going through his head when she "dumped" him


"You dumped me,but you say you never loved me,but you still dumped me,so Im just gonna kill your whole family,that seems like a fair trade"
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TrinChan345 Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2014  Student General Artist
When I see this picture, I Imagine StarClan moving Ina. Slower pace, more spiritually. I love art that makes you THINK!
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Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ashfur is best I mean he did nothing wrong


Too much love.
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lemur97 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
He tried to have Squirrelfight's father killed and later tried to burn her kits over a misunderstanding of feelings. He belongs in the dark forest.
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moth-wing Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014
Yo' man, don't even bother. Love =  psychopathy. ┐(;)┌
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lemur97 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
;~; Erin Hunter, whyyyyyyyy???
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Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't remember him trying to kill Firestar but I remember the fire

Too Much Love~
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lemur97 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I'll get the quote from the Warriors Wiki.

"Stay there! I can't believe you didn't know how much you hurt me. You are the blind one, not Jayfeather. Who do you think sent Firestar the message to go down to the lake, where the fox trap was? I wanted him to die, to take your father away so you'd know the real meaning of pain."—Ashfur to Squirrelflight (Long Shadows)
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Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
cool
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lemur97 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
That being said, Ashfur didn't "love too much". In comparison to other cats in the Dark Forest, Ashfur should have gone there instead of Thistleclaw, because as far as we know, Thistleclaw didn't try to murder cats.
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Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thistleclaw trained the most evil cat in the series and encouraged him to hurt others
He also fought other df cats when he joined the Dark Forest anyway


Ashfur did love too much, then he hurt because of it. I like his character for that. Plus I hate Squirrelflight anyway she's annoying so it'd be awesome to see her die from Ashfur xD
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DrownblazeRCW Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Thistleclaw was manipulated by the Dark Forest. He would have made a brilliant warrior if Snowtuft hadn't trained him to be an evil killer. And yet, he didn't even kill anyone.

Ashfur didn't have anyone to manipulate him.

If you wanted someone to be your boyfriend/girlfriend, would you:

a) try to kill their father
b) try to burn their children
c) threaten them
d) blame them on your faults
e) betray your entire family for them

That's not love. That's just desperation. Ashfur deserves to suffer.
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lemur97 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Atleast Thistleclaw wasn't a butthurt crybaby who tried to murder his mate's father and 3 kits over "rejection". You don't do that if you love some one. Training the villain of the bookseries doesn't make him a bad cat. Encouraging agressive behavior, maybe, but that would be like saying "his only fault was that he cared more for his clan mates than the life of another cat". Or even "cared more for himself".

Ashfur did not love Squirrelflight and even if he did, that's not how you'd show love. If you like his character, like him for who he is, not what the fandom is romanticizing about him.
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