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Loved too much... by Mizu-no-Akira Loved too much... by Mizu-no-Akira
Here's some Ashfur fanart :3 I just loved this quote. Sadly, I never read the books... maybe I should do so...
Anyways, I hope you like my interpretation of the scene when Jayfeather visits StarClan and finds Ashfur there, after Hollyleaf killed him. He was kinda psycho before he got killed, so I guess Jayfeather was quite confused about finding him there. But I think Yellowfang, who said this sentence :P, was right... he never did anything that'd make him a realy evil cat that doesn't deserve its place in StarClan.
I kinda felt like drawing him still behing hurt. I don't believe they go to StarClan with all their wounds that caused their death and so on... that's something physical and what goes to StarClan is just their "souls" or "minds". They imagine themselves as a young and healthy being, and so their minds are young, healthy, and unwounded, too. But in Ashfur's case I believe he's so hurt about not being loved, that his mind got scarred and stayed wounded.
...Goddamn I'm really bad at explaining in English -_-' Sorry guys.
Anyways, hope you like it^^ Next upload will be the 10th site of my comic :D

Characters and story (c) by Erin Hunter
Illustration (c) by :iconmizu-no-akira: ...ME! :3
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EndertheFoxy Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2015  New member Student Artisan Crafter
Poor Ashfur. He loved Squirrelflight so much, but she just like:

I don't love you, Ashfur. I love Brambleclaw sry Troll 
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WarriorSapphirestar Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2015  Student General Artist
the erins came up with a lame excuse about why he went to starclan.. for crying out loud he lied to Firestar and sent him basically into the fox trap, tried to kill lionpaw, and then let lionpaw take out his anger on hollypaw, then tries to kill two warriors and a medicine cat in a fire.. then planned on telling the whole truth at a gathering.. though on the night of the gathering he was killed by Hillyleaf (who did not mean to kill him, the erins have mentioned that she did not kill him on purpose a few times) .... Also supposedly he was friends with Brambleclaw but he started to turn against Brambleclaw by saying Bramble might turn into Tigerstar basically... yes Ashfur was blind, but his ways of making Squrrelflight feel the "pain" she gave him by choosing Brambleclaw when Ashfur was no more than just a friend...  
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UniverseDragon Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't think it was lame. He doesn't deserve the Dark Forest. Everyone thinks dark things and many people have attempted to hurt others. He didn't kill anyone, anyways. Honestly, if Ashfur deserves the Dark Forest then Hollyleaf does too for murder, and then so would many other cats. Starclan deemed his heart worthy of their grounds. At the very least, he's no where near bad enough for the Dark Forest.
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WarriorSapphirestar Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2015  Student General Artist
she killed him by accident! And he tried to kill his own leader and get one warrior exiled because he was in love with Squirrelflight when he was nothing more than a friend! He attempted murder on two warriors within his clan as well as a medicine cat! And only decided to let them live so he could hurt Squirrelflight by revealing her secret! He attempted murder and was the reason Firestar lost one lie in the fox trap! He allied with Hawkfrost so he could hurt Squirrelflight as well as try to get Brambleclaw/star out of the picture.. For StarClan's sake he did more damage than Thistleclaw to his clan! And if any cat loved too much it was Mapleshade and we don't even know her past yet!
I have a question... Do you think a loyal warrior would send his leader into a trap so he could get rid of anyone that would get his way to have a she-cat who he thinks loves him back the same way as well as hurt her if she refuses to be his mate?
Would a loyal warrior try to kill his own clanmate? A medicine cat? 
Have his apprentice claim that another leader is by the border, and tells the leader that the other leader wanted him to come alone, just to set him up so his deputy can be banished for killing the clan leader, because the deputy loves the same cat as him?
Do you think a loyal warrior would do that? If I have to I can find quotes and page numbers of Ashfur attempting to kill his apprentice, even letting his apprentice try to kill his sister.. The thing were he admits trying to help kill Firestar during the fire..
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UniverseDragon Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm not dumb, I know all he's done. I'm not saying he's loyal I'm saying he's still not as bad as others.
And for the record I don't think Mapleshade deserves the Dark Forest either but she chose it.
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WarriorSapphirestar Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2015  Student General Artist
He isn't as bad as Brokenstar or Tigerstar, but in my heart i feel he should of went to the dark forest.. even though supposedly he did forgive Hollyleaf... it's just how he changed and took the dark path that makes me feel this... if he never went so far to at least take advantage of the fire maybe i would feel slightly different.. even though if i had been paying attention better when i finished sunset for the first time i would of saw what he had done before hand..
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UniverseDragon Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I blame Hawkfrost for what happened in Sunset. He used Ashfur's jumbled emotions to his advantage, like Thistleclaw took Tigerstar's courage as an apprentice to his advantage. I think Ashfur isn't dark enough for the Dark Forest, and since there's apparently no inbetween for Starclan and The Place of No Stars, he remains in Starclan, most likely alone and keeping to himself.
If Tigerstar had stopped being crazy when he became leader of Shadowclan he probably would of ended up like Ashfur. In Starclan but still an oustider.

Just my opinions.
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LeapsOfJoy Featured By Owner Edited Mar 7, 2015  New member
I hope you don't mind me contributing a bit to this conversation, but just because Ashfur didn't technically 'carry through' with murdering the Three doesn't mean he wouldn't have. If Squirrelflight hadn't stated that they weren't her kits, they'd be fried. Also, Ashfur is dumber than I thought if he didn't know about Hawkfrost's... Heh... Past actions. Considering he was dead-set on killing Firestar (who I'm not a fan of, but y'know), he deserves to rot in the Dark Forest, in my opinion X'D Hollyleaf did what she thought was right, which was keeping Ash's obnoxious mouth SHUT. Ashfur let himself become a lunatic, and he paid the price.
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UniverseDragon Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Brambleclaw didn't know about his brother, and many others didn't either (Squirrelflight just had a hunch). And still, murder is never someone's ONLY choice. Hollyleaf should be in the Dark Forest too, for killing him. Yes, he wasn't being very 'nice' either, but she lowered herself to his level. Therefor she should be there too.

I don't think Ashfur belongs there. If it wasn't for the Erins not being consistent with each other (which actually seriously bothers me. I love the books but I want to sit them all down and tell them to be consistent or just stop), Thistleclaw was originally in Starclan, but Bluestar chased him out when she died. To me, this happened, no matter what the books and the wiki say. So I think there's more to the justice system here.
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Rainmask64 Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I have a headcanon where he would turn out to actually forgive Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw. After being metaphorically blinded before, he must've discovered his faults. Ashfur might try to mend all of the trouble he caused later.
(I think he'll keep on crushing on Squirrelflight, though >w<)
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KodiakAussieArt Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thrushpelt was rejected by Bluefur and never tried to murder her kits. He actually helped care for her kits! Ashfur needs to get therapy from Thrushpelt :P
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KodiakAussieArt Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Don't hate me for this, but I really don't think that he deserved to be in Starclan :( I mean, he tried to kill Firestar, he tried to kill Squirrelflights "kits", and he goes to STARCLAN? Thistleclaw never tried to murder anyone, and he's in the Dark Forest.
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YaKitten Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree. Or at least, he should have gone to the Dark Forest for a while until he realized what he did was wrong. I honestly think he must have been insane. It's the only way he could possibly have gotten into Starclan. Like, when he died, he got his sanity back and regretted what he did so they allowed him in. Maybe he should have had a little chat with Thrushpelt when he got there...
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XxAsk-KlausxX Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I just imagine this thought going through his head when she "dumped" him


"You dumped me,but you say you never loved me,but you still dumped me,so Im just gonna kill your whole family,that seems like a fair trade"
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TrinChan345 Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2014  Student General Artist
When I see this picture, I Imagine StarClan moving Ina. Slower pace, more spiritually. I love art that makes you THINK!
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Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ashfur is best I mean he did nothing wrong


Too much love.
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lemur97 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
He tried to have Squirrelfight's father killed and later tried to burn her kits over a misunderstanding of feelings. He belongs in the dark forest.
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moth-wing Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014
Yo' man, don't even bother. Love =  psychopathy. ┐(;)┌
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lemur97 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
;~; Erin Hunter, whyyyyyyyy???
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Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't remember him trying to kill Firestar but I remember the fire

Too Much Love~
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lemur97 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I'll get the quote from the Warriors Wiki.

"Stay there! I can't believe you didn't know how much you hurt me. You are the blind one, not Jayfeather. Who do you think sent Firestar the message to go down to the lake, where the fox trap was? I wanted him to die, to take your father away so you'd know the real meaning of pain."—Ashfur to Squirrelflight (Long Shadows)
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Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
cool
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lemur97 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
That being said, Ashfur didn't "love too much". In comparison to other cats in the Dark Forest, Ashfur should have gone there instead of Thistleclaw, because as far as we know, Thistleclaw didn't try to murder cats.
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Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thistleclaw trained the most evil cat in the series and encouraged him to hurt others
He also fought other df cats when he joined the Dark Forest anyway


Ashfur did love too much, then he hurt because of it. I like his character for that. Plus I hate Squirrelflight anyway she's annoying so it'd be awesome to see her die from Ashfur xD
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DrownblazeRCW Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Thistleclaw was manipulated by the Dark Forest. He would have made a brilliant warrior if Snowtuft hadn't trained him to be an evil killer. And yet, he didn't even kill anyone.

Ashfur didn't have anyone to manipulate him.

If you wanted someone to be your boyfriend/girlfriend, would you:

a) try to kill their father
b) try to burn their children
c) threaten them
d) blame them on your faults
e) betray your entire family for them

That's not love. That's just desperation. Ashfur deserves to suffer.
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lemur97 Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Atleast Thistleclaw wasn't a butthurt crybaby who tried to murder his mate's father and 3 kits over "rejection". You don't do that if you love some one. Training the villain of the bookseries doesn't make him a bad cat. Encouraging agressive behavior, maybe, but that would be like saying "his only fault was that he cared more for his clan mates than the life of another cat". Or even "cared more for himself".

Ashfur did not love Squirrelflight and even if he did, that's not how you'd show love. If you like his character, like him for who he is, not what the fandom is romanticizing about him.
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moth-wing Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2014
...You're being sarcastic, right?
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Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nope.

Too. Much. Love.
I love him ._.
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moth-wing Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2014
Trying to murder a girl's dad and children just because she isn't in to you is what you would call love? Normal folks call that psychopathy and obsession, because, well it is.
Never said you couldn't "love" a character.
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Moonleaf1 Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
O.o dude what's your problem ?
If you really hate Ashfur go tell your mom instead that this character is bugging you :/
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moth-wing Featured By Owner Edited Sep 11, 2014
DUDE WHAT'S YER PROBLEM. :| You made a comment. I replied. That's it. It's not my fault that you, apparently, can't answer a simple question.
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AduroDawg Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm sorry, but I have to point this out-
"he never did anything that'd make him a realy [sic] evil cat"
...He refused to be her friend any more, betrayed his entire clan, helped Hawkfrost try to take over his clan, led Squirrelflight's father to his death by strangulation, tried to burn her children alive in a fire, and was going to release info that had absolutely nothing to do with him. That sounds pretty bad to me.
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AnnMY Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Out of the blue here, but just let me second this statement.
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AduroDawg Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Out of the blue is perfectly fine, babe ^^
But thanks for seconding, I appreciate that you too recognize illogical quotes when you see them.
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AnnMY Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Why you are very welcome. I'm always happy to find people willing to even out the scales of the ever-popular "Ashfur ain't done nothing bad" thingy, which kinda creeps me out. Especially when so many are willing to jump to his defense so readily and just toss aside the facts and make him into a glorified heartbroken sop who should be coddled by all. ;)
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AduroDawg Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah, yes.. I think it's perfectly fine to enjoy villains- I in particular have a soft spot for Hawkfrost, but with that people shouldn't try and build said villains up into heroes, or turn their terrible acts into nothing.
As such, I can certainly see where Hawkfrost comes from- his brother died when they were young and Hawkfrost tried to save him, he was idolizing his dad ever since he met him, etc. But he still did terrible things and is very much a villain.
It's especially annoying with Ashfur because he had such stupid motivation. "My sort-of girlfriend dumped me, so I'm gonna go kill her dad and her three kids!" People get dumped after years of relationship behind it, and they don't go do that. It just annoys me so much, like oh my gosh Ashbutt be quiet >.<
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WindWing101 Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2014
(posted this to both of you, since I wasn't sure if you'd get it too. xD Thought you ought to be included)

You people are like, my favorites now. xD

I don't mind his character, it was definitely 'interesting' to read and to draw. But did he do the right thing? Oh, absolutely not. I find it kind of disturbing when people seem to believe what he did was because of 'love'. It's OBSESSION. I mean, there are plenty of stories where boyfriends murder their ex girlfriends because they still can't get over it. People often don't say "That poor baby, he loved too much." So, what about Ashfur? If you believe that's what love is, I find that a bit scary. No disrespect to those who like him, just... please don't take that into the real world. I suppose if the Erins just made a 'story' that they wanted to tell, this would be okay... but given that Warriors is supposed to be a kid's book, shouldn't it teach certain morals? Unless the people targeted now are older. Do you REALLY want kids thinking that's what love is? I'm not one to say that these things cause violence, it's just kind of disturbing when people start thinking of this as what it is, and interpret it wrong. xD

-rant over-
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AduroDawg Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, Ashfur is certainly interesting for a period of time, especially from a psychological point of view (the study of the breaking point for people like that really is intriguing), but considering he's supposed to be a model now considering he's never told he's wrong and everyone romanticizes his actions, it is slightly disturbing. Like I said before, it's perfectly fine to enjoy and love a villain as much or more than a main hero (good guy), as long as you aren't modeling yourself after them, and understand that their actions aren't good. Especially when little kids are involved. It's why I get picky about what movies my little sister sees. She's too young to understand good people may act badly, or bad people make good choices sometimes, so I don't want her to mix concepts around and start lying to us and in general modeling herself after bad people that people said were doing okay things. It might seem obsessive, but it's a pretty big deal in reality.
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WindWing101 Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014
Agreed completely... :P
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AnnMY Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, of course it's fine to like the local asshole, why I've never been able to completely dislike Tigerstar even if I tried, because we've been exposed to his whole development from the spoiled brat who lost his dad, till he was handed off to the worst possible mentor (Sunstar, honestly... worst idea ever) and from then the whole thing went downhill. But still there's something about him, how the cruel ambition grew in his mind, and the underhanded plans he worked on, that makes him intriguing. 
That said, I will not throw myself in the line of fire to defend him; he is and will always be a cruel bastard. 
Nay, exactly how I thought too. I didn't even see the whole thing between him and Squirrel, heck they never talked about any sort of relationship at all. To me, it seemed more as if Squirrel was grateful that she had a friend through turbulent times, and Ashfur kinda got it into his head that she was in love with him too. And just because she couldn't stand his overprotective, slightly condescending ways, he decides her whole family should die. So, one murder of second degree (for Firestar), and attempted murder on three innocent cats validates his heartbreak? Really?? -_-'
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WindWing101 Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2014
You people are like, my favorites now. xD

I don't mind his character, it was definitely 'interesting' to read and to draw. But did he do the right thing? Oh, absolutely not. I find it kind of disturbing when people seem to believe what he did was because of 'love'. It's OBSESSION. I mean, there are plenty of stories where boyfriends murder their ex girlfriends because they still can't get over it. People often don't say "That poor baby, he loved too much." So, what about Ashfur? If you believe that's what love is, I find that a bit scary. No disrespect to those who like him, just... please don't take that into the real world. I suppose if the Erins just made a 'story' that they wanted to tell, this would be okay... but given that Warriors is supposed to be a kid's book, shouldn't it teach certain morals? Unless the people targeted now are older. Do you REALLY want kids thinking that's what love is? I'm not one to say that these things cause violence, it's just kind of disturbing when people start thinking of this as what it is, and interpret it wrong. xD

-rant over-
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AnnMY Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And you are really cute. x3

I'm with you there, really that discussion should've been put to the Erins. Exactly what were they trying to show, by giving mercy to Ashfur, even emphasizing that he wasn't really a bad guy - which he really, really was. He's way up there with Tigerstar and the really evil guys becaues he showed no scruples in his crimes, no guilt over what he was doing - there was plain black hatred in him. And considering this series does target preteens and kids mostly... yep, you're right, that is plenty disturbing. They shouldn't be shown this as an acceptable way to love, and be loved, because it doesn't even belong under the cathegory for love at all. Sure, Ashfur started out as a smitten sillyface, but he didn't make for a good match at all, considering he didn't really respect Squirrelflight's fiery spirit and her desire to be equal, and ended up broken beyond repair once she told him how they stood. And then he just became cruel. 
I can understand wanting to write a story about someone who's emotions are turned upside down, something that becomes so broken and twisted it can't be recognized again, but all in all, this gives the wrong message. We're told that Ashfur isn't to blame. And that is wrong. 

You just triggered another bout of ranting from me, damn... so sorry, really ^^'
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StormofSloths Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Ugh, I hate this excuse so much. What he did was not love; it was possessiveness. If you really loved someone, you would want them to be happy, not want them to suffer and ignore when they tried to remain close to you.
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WindWing101 Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2014
:clap: Thank you! Finally! xD
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Valkeri-Spirit Featured By Owner Edited Jul 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
The spot on his ear looks like a pokeball :pokeball:
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XxAsk-KlausxX Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Holy crap your right
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NekoFeatherstar Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
His ONLY fault?! Let's see... He easily became jealous, couldn't be happy for those he love unless they love him back, hated a ton, (etc.)
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Hollypotion Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2014  Student General Artist
No offense, but the quote is right. True, he did all that, and it wasnt happy for anybody, but all his mistakes and faults came from loving too much..... :/
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NekoFeatherstar Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I take no offense. And I see what you mean. Personally, I liked him before he snapped but I just wish he could have just been happy for Squirrelflight and not bound on revenge.
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